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Rick · Site Admin Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 106 Location: NC, US

tutancamon,

The bxx 5.x series does not allow you to dynamically add a node and then access it by name using the setNodeEventIn or getNodeEventOut API. ABNet uses those APIs to add avatars and other events. You can only get access to nodes by name if they were part of the original .wrl file you loaded. ABNet1 worked around that problem, but it was by doing it the hard way and back then everyone wanted me to support BX 4.1 .. bleh!

The API problem can be worked around. However, why bother???? I cannot support a player that doesn't have a company. I can't support a company that for years gave vrml multi-user a bad name. Bitmanagement is a real company with a real product that keeps getting better. Vivaty is also a real company also pushing forward adding what is missing in X3D. I can support them.

Blaxxun has been dead for years and is bringing all of us a bad name. Why would you want to support something that is dead and getting moldier by the day. I say let the flies enjoy the carcase and I will enjoy fresh meat! Are you a fly or a carnivore?

I want to take advantage of X3D. I want to use all the latest and newest extensions. I'm tired of dopey 1996 worlds. Where are the worlds that hightlight what is possible in modern VRML/X3D? Bring me multitextures, bring me DX9 dynamic shaders, bring me worlds that dynamically add nodes using SAI and XML DOM manipulation. The good worlds are out there, let us not hold them back by using a stone age tablet.

-rick .. sorry .. i'm tired of answering of this question.

Omind · Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject: :-)

I agree. Blaxxun is dead for the most part, with the exception of the communities that won't use BS. It's time to move on. It would be a crime to lose the creativity of builders out there simply due to the demise of Blaxxun. I don't personally care about the floating logo in BS and if there is a cost effecitve to get a license, all the better. Also, there is ExitReality, that is coming out in public beta, but you have to put up with boxes on the side obscuring the view. I'll put up with the little floating ball, thank you.

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Rick · Site Admin Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 106 Location: NC, US

Yes, tutancamon, I messed up the forum topic. I was trying to split your post about VNet and put it over in the VNet Forum.

You seem to want to talk about servers in a topic that is focused on how vcard created a new user interface for ABNet. While it is interesting to hear about all the various servers, I don't think any of them allow someone to use HTML+Javascript+CSS to rewrite the chat interface.

In VNet, you have to be a java programmer to change the interface, you also had to modify your world to work with it. In Activeworlds you get a windows .exe that isn't changeable. In Exit Reality, they are snooping everywhere you go and what is on that page. So in theory you could modify your html page and end up with a new interface. Morfit I don't know anything about that. BS Collaborate, when I looked at it 6 months ago, it seemed that you had to add code to your VRML or X3D. Is there a chat interface on that? But it doesn't matter you have to setup the server and run it yourself. There isn't a public BS Collaborate server you can just connect to.

I think you are missing the whole point of this topic. While yes, I could go off and make ABNet work with every new plugins that pops up. I could go off and make it work with every plugin that was developed 10 years ago. However, those are windmills I don't want to chase. I choose to focus on doing one or two well.

However, the bigger thing I did was to create the core of the ABNet client in javascript and HTML. This allows people like vcard to start with my 3dchat.html and add the bits and pieces they think are needed.

It also allows people like you who want it to work with different players to go ahead add that suppport. Nothing is stopping you. If you want an ABNet interface that works with ExitReality, or BXX 5.1, or Cortona, you should go do it. If you want to add text-to-speech go do it. You do not have to wait for me.

-rick

Tito1 · Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: bringing back memories...

tutancamon · Forum Junkie Joined: 24 Mar 2008 Posts: 9

About VCard's interface:

Well, I talk only about I have. I don't have all VCard's files of his interface from his site.
When I will have all files, I will talk about his interface.